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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Deconstructing Gurdjieff
« on: November 19, 2019, 06:51:22 pm »
So reading this Tobias Churton book about Georges Gurdjieff.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1620556383/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i6

Churton is a prolific writer.  I cannot imagine how he can read how many books as he must.

This discussion of Gurdjieff does follow on from his discussion of turn of the century Paris.

Some books and people are introduced.

A highly influential thinker and writer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Fabre_d%27Olivet

Antoine Fabre d'Olivet (December 8, 1767, Ganges, Hérault – March 25, 1825, Paris)

 French author, poet and composer whose Biblical and philosophical hermeneutics influenced many occultists, such as Eliphas Lévi, Gérard Encausse - Papus and Édouard Schuré.

Alexandre Saint-Yves d'Alveydre 
 (26 March 1842 – 5 February 1909) was a French occultist who adapted the works of Fabre d'Olivet (1767–1825) and, in turn, had his ideas adapted by Gérard Encausse alias Papus. His work on "L'Archéomètre" deeply influenced the young René Guénon. He developed the term Synarchy—the association of everyone with everyone else—into a political philosophy, and his ideas about this type of government proved influential in politics and the occult.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Saint-Yves_d%27Alveydre

And then Papus.

And then especially
Édouard Schuré
Eduard (Édouard) Schuré (January 21, 1841 in Strasbourg – April 7, 1929 in Paris) was a French philosopher, poet, playwright, novelist, music critic, and publicist of esoteric literature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard_Schur%C3%A9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard_Schur%C3%A9


And his book is in academic libraries

The great initiates : a study of the secret history of religions / translated from the French by Gloria Rasberry. Introd. by Paul M. Allen.

Gurdjieff was very aggressive about educating himself too.  Have to admire that.

And then talk about Jules Doniel, as he founded the Gnostic Church.




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https://www.amazon.com/G.-Randy-Slone/e/B000APG19O%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

G. Randy Slone, I don't agree with him about everything, but he wrote good books and he also sold some products.  Some were circuit boards for what it describes in the books.  Others were this thing he called the "audio engine", no integrated circuits in the signal path.

Again I don't agree with everything he did, but still worth studying.

He has passed away, did have a continuing tribute web site.  Not sure if it exists anymore.


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Ge Wang, Stanford, really interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-T8kcSRLL0

ChucK, a programming language written for music, by Ge Wang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChucK

https://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/

https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~ge/thesis.html


Relaxing Blues Music Vol 7 Mix Songs | Rock Music 2018 HiFi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nd9GtfFTMk

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Ontology is the philosophical study of being

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology

Having reached a point decades ago where it seemed like my career had been boxed in, turned into something just to get money, and that becoming more and more difficult.

What had been lost was the feeling that it was about the work itself and the skills being used.  What was being lost was the conviction that it was all and ends activity, something which had value in and of itself.

So I started trying to broaden my education.  I needed to learn new things, needed to go further than I had.

So I came across the works of Maturana and Varela, in Chile, and particularly their book Tree of Knowledge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humberto_Maturana

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0877736421/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0

Autopoiesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis

The book has lots of pictures.  But it is also a rare book that I could not assimilate it just by skimming in the book store.

More than anything, I think it does a tremendous job of showing us how deeply embedded into popular psychology we find Social Darwinism.  And it completely debunks this.  It challenges us to grow and to change how we think about ourselves and about society.

We are told of how things are effected by events, and we are told to look at ourselves as quite autonomous.  And we are told about biological adaptation.

But this book in great detail shows us how there is always a couple to the environment, and that what things which happen are simply being triggered by outside events, but that potentiality had to have been there already.  And we are told about Phylogenic Drift, as opposed to biological adaptation.

This book changed me greatly and sent me in directions that I finally decades later feel are finally starting to pan out.

Ontology is that other way of looking at things instead of Epistemology.



Miles Davis - Call It Anything (Miles Electric)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMYVvjoXf4o

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American Fascists
The Christian Right and the War On America
by Chris Hedges

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In this version of the Christian Gospel, the exploitation and abuse of other human beings is a good.  Homosexuality is an evil.  And this global, heartless system of economic rationalism has morphed in the rhetoric of the Christian Right into a test of faith.  The ideology it espouses is a radical evil, an ideology of death.  It calls wanton destruction, destruction of human beings, of the environment, of communities and neighborhoods, of labor unions, of a free press, of Iraqis, Palestinians or others in the Middle East who would deny us oil fields and hegemony, of federal regulatory agencies, social welfare programs, public education--in short, the destruction of all people and programs that stand in the way of a Christian America and its God-given right to dominate the rest of the planet.  The movement offers, in return, the absurd but seductive promise that those who are right with God will rise to dominate the rest of the planet.  The movement offers, in return, the absurd but seductive promise that those who are right with God will rise to become spiritual and material oligarchs.  They will become the new class.  Those who are not right with God, be they poor or Muslim or unsaved, deserve what they get.  In the rational world none of this makes sense.  But believers have been removed from a reality-based world.  They believe that through Jesus all is possible.  It has become a Christian duty to embrace the exploitation of others, to build a Christian America where freedom means the freedom of the powerful to dominate the weak.  Since believers see themselves as becoming empowered through faith, the gross injustices and repression that could well boomerang back on most of them are of little concern.  They assuage their consciences with the small acts of charity they or their churches dole out to the homeless or the mission fields.  The emotion -filled religious spectacles and spiritual bromides compensate for the emptiness of their lives.  They are energized by hate campaigns against gays or Muslims or liberals or immigrants.  They walk willingly into a totalitarian prison they are helping to construct.  They yearn for it.  They work for it with passion, self-sacrifice and a blinding self-righteousness.

"





Remembering the Greensboro Massacre of 1979, When KKK & Nazis Killed 5 People in Broad Daylight
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/11/4/greensboro_massacre_40th_anniversary#transcript

Hubert Dreyfus Interview - AI, Heidegger, Meaning in the Modern World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_zNHOzDP7w

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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Re: Yazidi
« on: October 24, 2019, 07:01:28 pm »
http://www.yeziditruth.org/yezidis-and-hindus-re-uniting-as-one-people

So here they are saying that the Yazidi faith goes back to 4000 BCE, so this is 6000 years.  They say it started, I guess in Persia or the Middle-East.  But they are also saying that it connects to the Hindu faith.

Peacocks are native to India, not to the Middle-East.

Their two scripture books go back only to the 11th and 12th Centuries, CE.

http://www.yeziditruth.org/yezidi_scriptures

okay, this has their scriptures, and some critical discussion

https://sacred-texts.com/asia/sby/index.htm

Islamic State Fighters taking Yazidi Women into Sexual Slavery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=bO1r0s2mw1k

Yezidi Communities In Other Countries, like the US
http://www.yeziditruth.org/worldwide_yezidi_communities

Peacock Angel
http://www.yeziditruth.org/the_peacock_angel

A comment, it has always seemed to me that the first half or so of Genesis was probably a refutation of earlier narratives.  But if you do not know that those earlier narratives are, then you will probably misinterpret the intent in Genesis.  Well it seems now that the Yezidi have part of this earlier tradition.  Expanding on the same root narratives, but in a different way.


Ron Lelito
Thelema & the Yezidi "Devil Worshippers"  (OTO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIzpMYA6r84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIzpMYA6r84

This connects Gurdjieff to the Yezidi influence

Deconstructing Gurdjieff : biography of a spiritual magician / Tobias Churton (2017)

This talks some about Yezidi
In search of truth : Augustine, Manichaeism and other gnosticism : studies for Johannes van Oort at sixty / edited by Jacob Albert van den Berg [and others] (2011)

Look like very interesting books, but not in libraries

Devil Worship: The Sacred Books and Traditions of the Yezidis by Isya Joseph (2016)

Cauda Pavonis: Esoteric Antinomianism in the Yezidi Tradition by  Peter Lamborn Wilson (2019)

Yezidi Holy Books by  Gregory K. Koon (2016)

The Black Book of the Yezidis by Jon Lange (2017)

The Yezidis: Their Sacred Books and Traditions by Isya Joseph


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American Fascists

The Christian Right and the War On America


by Chris Hedges


https://www.amazon.com/American-Fascists-Christian-Right-America/dp/0743284461/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=American+Fascists&qid=1570920324&sr=8-1


So a number of interesting books referred to.


Robert O. Paxton, The Anatomy of Fascism (2004)


Reinhold Niebuhr, The Irony of American History (1952)


Sara Diamond, Spiritual Warfare: the politics of the Christian Right (1989)


--- Roads to Dominion: Right-Wing Movements and Political Power in the United States (1995)


--- Not by politics alone: the enduring influence of the Christian Right (1998)


William Slone Coffin, The Heart is a Little to the Left: Essays on Public Morality (1999)


there is also James Luther Adams


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Luther_Adams


Chris Hedges was one of his students.


Hedges starts with this from Umberto Eco


https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism


I find the above to be extremely insightful, but I only partially agree with it.  If you go with Eco, then Nietzsche is is a fascist, and so are Deleuze and Guattari.  I do not agree with this.

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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Re: Yazidi
« on: October 17, 2019, 03:51:07 pm »

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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Yazidi
« on: October 17, 2019, 03:47:15 pm »
Lalish temple dates back 4000 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lalish

Thelema & the Yezidi "Devil Worshippers"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIzpMYA6r84

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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Ahl-e Haqq
« on: October 12, 2019, 05:12:06 pm »
Ahl-e Haqq

Ahl-e Haqq (hereafter referred to as A.H.) is an oriental esoteric order that has attracted an immense number of followers over the centuries and has spread over a vast geographical area. In western provinces of Iran, (Kurdistan, Kermanshah and Azarbayejan) as well as Turkey and Iraq alone the adherents are estimated at around three million.


http://www.ahle-haqq.com/intro.html


https://www.everyculture.com/knowledge/Ahl_e_Haqq.html


This Ahl-e Haqq is a Muslim esoteric group.  There seem to be lots of such teachings.  I suspect that this somehow connects to Yazidi, which are mostly Kurdish.  And then their may be some connection to the


Ismaili Nizari Shia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizari

Quite a bit of esotericism and occult teachings in Islam.


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A New Christianity for a New World,

by John Shelby Spong, 2000




Just starting to read chapter 6,


really interesting book, will be returning to it.





Rosicrucian Music


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cRlS8qLsKI&list=PL20555B53D6214D86&index=2




The American Electoral Republic has failed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRtvI5CXhjk

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Industrial Concerns / Marsh Master
« on: September 26, 2019, 05:15:06 pm »

https://www.marshmaster.com/

Gets carried around on 2 axle deck over trailer.  Used for cutting down the wild grass in creek areas.

obiously floats, and can have outboard motor.  Why not propellers off of the traction drive?

https://www.marshmaster.com/marsh-master-advantage/

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Why Religion, A personal story  by Elaine Pagels (2018)

Finishing with

Why Religion, A personal story

by Elaine Pagels (2018)


She references Jeffrey Burton Russell, who has written books about Satan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Burton_Russell

https://www.amazon.com/Jeffrey-Burton-Russell/e/B001IQWD9Q?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1569534257&sr=8-1

She has written her own book too.


She also references, "Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness". found with the Dead Sea Scrolls, 1947.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Sons_of_Light_Against_the_Sons_of_Darkness

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1936533480/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i9

All most interesting!


Now returning to:

A New Christianity for a New World,

by John Shelby Spong, 2000

https://www.amazon.com/New-Christianity-World-Traditional-Faith/dp/0060670630/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=A+New+Christianity+for+a+New+World%2C&qid=1569535097&sr=8-2

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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Re: Melanie Klein, piece of !!!!
« on: September 24, 2019, 06:02:03 pm »
Psychiatry and Psychotherapy both run on the same bogus model of cognition. They want you to believe that life is hard because of past abuses as represented in your memories. And of course you see that that opens the door to feel good teachings.

But in fact, the effects of childhood exploitation and abuses is simply lost social opportunities, lost educational and career building opportunities, lost opportunities at building intimate relationships.

Your film of events memory is important to understanding these loses, but it in and of itself is not the issue. Psychotherapy and Psychiatry propagate falsehood to further their own interests.

If you are abused in ways which our society is in denial about, as it is still with most all familial child abuse, then you no longer have a biography, you no longer have a public identity, you become an object for scorn, ridicule, and pity.

But you do not even see this unless you try and take back the public honor which the abusers have denied you. When you try and take it back, by vanquishing foes, then you will see it, you will know what you have lost, when you find out how hard it is to take it back.

But your psychotherapist has no interest in this. Your psychotherapist wants to tell you that pacifism, living without honor, is morally superior. This moral superiority is just your psychotherapist’s own denial system

We need to shed this denial system and start putting some psychotherapists out of business!

If someone is seeing a psychotherapist, disclosing personal stuff, and they get handed an urgent looking piece of paper which has the name and picture of the therapist, and directs them to a web site, they will take it.

And then if they find an affidavit of a former client, and legal complaints, and descriptions of their therapy sessions, where the client claims that they were being duped, then it is unlikely that a present client will continue with therapy.

The therapist never really is on your side.

Some will want to sue. So once we get the first complainant, most therapists could be run out of business. And the more the news spreads, the more the complaints and the more the new lawsuits.

That denial system which is psychotherapy will be discredited. And few will put any stock into it, or into its way of interpreting people’s pasts. As it is now, people are being duped into accepting this honor free fantasy utopia, one which has never existed and never could exist. But it lets abusers off the hook and it propagates the kinds of Self-Reliance Ethic based abuses which are at the core of Capitalism / Middle-Class Family.

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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Re: Melanie Klein, piece of !!!!
« on: September 24, 2019, 05:57:14 pm »
Psychiatry and Psychotherapy both run on the same bogus model of cognition.  They want you to believe that life is hard because of past abuses as represented in your memories.  And of course you see that that opens the door to feel good teachings.

But in fact, the effects of childhood exploitation and abuses is simply lost social opportunities, lost educational and career building opportunities, lost opportunities at building intimate relationships.

Your film of events memory is important to understanding these loses, but it in and of itself is not the issue.  Psychotherapy and Psychiatry propagate falsehood to further their own interests.

If you are abused in ways which our society is in denial about, as it is still with most all familial child abuse, then you no longer have a biography, you no longer have a public identity, you become an object for scorn, ridicule, and pity.

But you do not even see this unless you try and take back the public honor which the abusers have denied you.  When you try and take it back, by vanquishing foes, then you will see it, you will know what you have lost, when you find out how hard it is to take it back.

But your psychotherapist has no interest in this.  Your psychotherapist wants to tell you that pacifism, living without honor, is morally superior.  This moral superiority is just your psychotherapist's own denial system

We need to shed this denial system and start putting some psychotherapists out of business!

If someone is seeing a psychotherapist, disclosing personal stuff, and they get handed an urgent looking piece of paper which has the name and picture of the therapist, and directs them to a web site, they will take it.

And then if they find an affidavit of a former client, and legal complaints, and descriptions of their therapy sessions, where the client claims that they were being duped, then it is unlikely that a present client will continue with therapy.

The therapist never really is on your side.

Some will want to sue.  So once we get the first complainant, most therapists could be run out of business.  And the more the news spreads, the more the complaints and the more the new law suit.

That denial system which is psychotherapy will be discredited.

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