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Autism, France
« on: June 18, 2019, 05:00:20 pm »
Here, Françoise Dolto, this is what makes the American Austism Promoters livid.

Here, only 75,000 accessed, but probably 700,000 autistics.  So most have not been accessed.  Horrible, Horrible, Horrible!

So what do they have, ABA and PRT therapy, with aversive and rewards, and teaching children to read with electrical shocks?

No, this is how it is done in the United States.

In France they have a network of special 0 - 4 years day care centers where psychoanalysis consists of supervised play therapy.

Here, the text of this article shows the rage in the American Autism Advocates.  Hard to see though in the pictures what they are so angry about.

http://theconversation.com/frances-autism-problem-and-its-roots-in-psychoanalysis-94210

A special 0 to 4 years daycare, and where the parents are welcome to be there too.  How could anyone object to that?

Well, these American Autism Advocates are people like Alex Plank.  He has been standing up making speeches about Autism-Aspergers since he was a teenager.  That there is this ~neurological difference~ and that such special treatments are necessary and that there could be no perpetrators behind this are core components of his identity.  And he runs a forum.  On his forum you cannot question the reality of Autism-Asperger's as neurologically based disorders.

In France they don't seem to see it this way, seeing it more as the result of stress and negative experiences, and probably something which can be grown out of.

I read the writings of these American Autism Advocates, and they tell me all the things that they thus are not able to do.  But in the stories they tell, and even in that they wrote such books, they are showing me that not only can they do such things, but that their abilities are far above average.  And the turning point in their lives always seems to be the point at which they no longer live with their parents.

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Re: Autism, France
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2019, 05:28:02 pm »
Here, Françoise Dolto, this is what makes the American Austism Promoters livid.

Here, only 75,000 accessed, but probably 700,000 autistics.  So most have not been accessed.  Horrible, Horrible, Horrible!

So what do they have, ABA and PRT therapy, with aversive and rewards, and teaching children to read with electrical shocks?

No, this is how it is done in the United States.

In France they have a network of special 0 - 4 years day care centers where psychoanalysis consists of supervised play therapy.

Here, the text of this article shows the rage in the American Autism Advocates.  Hard to see though in the pictures what they are so angry about.

http://theconversation.com/frances-autism-problem-and-its-roots-in-psychoanalysis-94210

A special 0 to 4 years daycare, and where the parents are welcome to be there too.  How could anyone object to that?

Well, these American Autism Advocates are people like Alex Plank.  He has been standing up making speeches about Autism-Aspergers since he was a teenager.  That there is this ~neurological difference~ and that such special treatments are necessary and that there could be no perpetrators behind this are core components of his identity.  And he runs a forum.  On his forum you cannot question the reality of Autism-Asperger's as neurologically based disorders.

In France they don't seem to see it this way, seeing it more as the result of stress and negative experiences, and probably something which can be grown out of.

I read the writings of these American Autism Advocates, and they tell me all the things that they thus are not able to do.  But in the stories they tell, and even in that they wrote such books, they are showing me that not only can they do such things, but that their abilities are far above average.  And the turning point in their lives always seems to be the point at which they no longer live with their parents.

Here:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(14)70290-1/fulltext

Frances is being subjected to international pressure to see this as the English speaking world does, as necessitating child torture to obtain compliance.

Whereas the French really see the whole thing as no big deal.  This Charles Melman sees what is being called autism is simply the result of a non-accepting early childhood.

Here, though machine translated:
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?from=&to=en&ref=SERP&dl=en&rr=UC&a=https%3a%2f%2ffr.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fCharles_Melman

https://www.translatoruser-int.com/translate?&to=en&csId=87b525c4-db72-4879-954f-d31422a03392&usId=eb6c4382-74f1-404e-b1b0-2aecc927856a&dl=en&ac=true&dt=2019%2f6%2f18%2022%3a11&h=LWubHnBBy9jGcsy03VKkoJfHBnlrbqhx&a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.champlacanienfrance.net%2f

I'm not endorsing psychoanalysis because it is not redress, it is merely manipulating the sufferer.  But compared with how Autism is treated in the US, behavioral tortures, psychoanalysis would be a big improvement.  It's still a fixmykid doctor, but its a kind of fixmykid doctor which will terrify parents.  According to Peter Breggin, all of the US Autism Groups are really just defensive formations of the parents.  And then, redress might come later.

https://autisticacademic.com/tag/jacques-lacan/

"
Ironically, the Lacanian approach to autism argues that autists are autistic because we fail to pass through a developmental phase that Lacan calls “the mirror stage.”  This is the point at which the infant (in Lacan’s view) recognizes itself as a being separate from its mother by virtue of recognizing itself in a mirror.  In Lacanian parlance, autists are “self-absorbed” because we fail to get through the mirror stage properly; we somehow fail to develop into a stage capable of self-reflection.
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I still know that Sami Timimi and his co-authors are correct, "Autism does not exist".  But the French Psychoanalytic approach is still a big step up from the American interpretation.

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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2019, 05:37:28 pm »
Here, machine translated:
https://www.translatoruser-int.com/translate?&to=en&csId=87b525c4-db72-4879-954f-d31422a03392&usId=eb6c4382-74f1-404e-b1b0-2aecc927856a&dl=en&ac=true&dt=2019%2f6%2f18%2022%3a30&h=CyWCYRynvdEiKaZZGagDoH0j3gW1s9Pr&a=https%3a%2f%2ffr.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fAutisme_en_France

You can see the intense international pressure to make France see autism as a real ~neurological difference~, and that it is the parents who run the associations, in order to protect themselves from blame, and that it is those who accept the ~Autism Identity~ and want to exonerate any and all perpetrators, who are the most intense and adamant about holding on to such a nonsense identity and on getting other children saddled with it.

Sami Timimi is adamant, no biological markers have ever been found, and there is a reason for this, they don't exist.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2019, 05:42:50 pm »
The parents need to find the locus of Autism ( Original Sin ) in their child.

And the children who have come of age accepting this, they need to make people believe that Austism is real, lest they have to face the alternative conclusion, which is too horrible to consider.

So who suffers for this?  Its the children of today, getting subjected to torture regimes, being blinded to the sorts of things they have survived.  Usually it seems to be that the child is an embarrassment for the parent.

This Jayne Lytel is a frightening woman.  Munchausen's parent if ever there was one.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/039953394X/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0

What comes through loud and clear in her book is the revulsion which she and the husband feel for their second child Leo.

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2019, 04:35:58 pm »
And here he is John Elder Robison himself, being readied for his transcranial magnet zap:

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/07/06/tms1_enl-e295668c2f9e70baa3d00fe41a708346062f8752-s1200.jpg

Powerful magnetic fields, which change rapidly with time, induce currents in the axons of the nerve cells inside of his brain.  He feels that this makes him "normal".  But it only lasts for a while, then things return to how they were before.

So because of his books and advocacy, parents are driving their kids to the doctor right now.  Autism-Asperger's has been a phenomenal gold strike, and child predators are booming the find in every way which you could imagine.

Robison accepted the Asperger's diagnosis as an adult.  And this was after it was laid on his son.  In his 3rd book Robison talks about watching his son be used and subjected to what Alice Miller called The Narcissistic Wound, on a daily basis.  It's just that Robison has no understanding of this.  And then they took him to the Yale lab, founded by a major supporter of the Eugenics Movement, and got him labeled.  It was after this that Robison went and got himself labeled too.  Since he has emerged as a major proponent of Autism-Asperger's.  To listen to him write about it, talking about the design details of rail locomotives and the giant diesel engines for container ships, Robison would have us believe that most all of the thousands of people who work in these fields must have some degree of Autism-Asperger's, and the same for those with NASA.

Robison needed this assessment because it exonerates all perpetrators, like his two extremely abusive parents.

And then Robison's son and Alex Plank have gone on to set up an Autism-Asperger's oriented forum called Wrong Planet.  Robison has tried to deny this, but in his third book he endorses said forum.

On Wrong Planet people are not allowed to question the reality of Austim-Asperger's, especially this ~defect disorder neurological difference~ understanding.  Those who try to talk sense about it are quickly banished.

Alex Plank was diagnosed with this ~neurological difference~ known as Asperger's 20 years ago, at age 9.  So back when he was in high school he started making speeches about it, to educate everyone, and to give himself a kind of identity which exonerates perpetrators.

To be completely honest, when I first saw videos of Alex Plank making these kinds of speeches, I thought to myself, "Nerdy Kid".

Okay, but that applies to lots and lots of people, and especially at that age.  And of course I am including myself in this too.  Adolescence is often hard.  Don't know that it has to be, but often it is.  I mean Muggle Schools which use bullying to socialize, and the ones really behind it being the teachers and the parents, it can be really bad.

So John Elder Robison and Alex Plank have very conformist social views, one is obliged to measure up to normative societal expectations.  Robison says, "They don't owe you any special exemptions."  And then so you can see how important a concept like this Autism-Asperger's Spectrum then becomes.

Listening to Alex Plank's speeches, I would say that his primary message is just that this ~neurological difference~ is absolute objective reality and that there is no way of challenging it and that you hence must accept it.

Now, Alex Plank is livid about what has been going on in France, not really taking Autism seriously, and dismissing this ~neurological difference~ idea entirely.  But France has elected a neoliberal government, and so even if people did not see how much neoliberalism depends upon Autism-Asperger's and on other things like that, I am sure that now they are coming to understand.  Changes are being made in France.  I think they will be subjecting children to the same kinds of behavioral tortures which children are being subjected to in the United States.

I don't know if this really qualifies as an Anti-Pedagogy Manual, but it is interesting:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0143122967/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i3

They talk about getting a child to sleep through the night.  They talk about a "pause" before responding to the cries of a child who awakens.  They talk about how American parents are actually waking the child up in how quickly they respond.

I read some of it, and there are differences in thinking, and in temperament.

By Anglo-American standards, I feel that most French, at least most Parisians, would be considered autistic.