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Replying to the Tune Out Crowd
« on: June 28, 2019, 04:32:11 pm »

"I personally would and do feel quite denigrated by the idea that I don’t know myself well enough to know that the drugs I *do* use to numb out some time (not psych drugs, but alcohol for one), and that I’m somehow a ‘victim’ as a result of seeing the value in that for myself… It also feels hard to hear that I’m somehow also not able to do the work that I apparently need to do to process my feelings, etc, if I’m using such substances and am somehow – if I’m reading you right – lesser than for that."

Feeling ones feelings, and staying mindful, is extremely hard work.  It can feel like your bones are being eaten in acid.

This book here puts it the best that I have seen, Psychiatry and Psychotherapy turn your experience of injustice into a medical problem and a self improvement project.

So who is going to challenge this?  Who is going to stop the survivors of familial abuses from ending up in mental health, psychotherapy, and recovery movement.

You say that you process your feelings.  I'm not talking about anything like that.  Processing feelings, usually what it means is just getting to where you can comply with social standards again.  And so some people get their doctor to write them a prescription.  You have learned how to prescribe for yourself to get the same result.

When I talk about feeling your feelings, I mean a long term commitment to regressions, starting with present feelings and working back.  I am talking about re-constructing oneself.  I mean collecting up the pieces which have been torn off and then re-membering yourself.

Unless we have people doing this, then nothing will change.  People will still be able to have children so that they don't have to deal with their own issues, and then break the wills and esteems of those children, knowing that they will end up in mental health and recovery.

I know that there have been numb out drugs from the beginning of time.  But I also know that they are a problem for those of use who want to reclaim what has been taken from us.  The numb out drugs help mental health, and the recovery movement, because they bring people down to their level.

People who just want to numb out are never going to offer effective opposition.

And in calling for the arbitrary individual decision to take what you want and to not take what you don't want, you are simply arguing for Libertarianism, and this is a fallacy.  Right now people are driving their children to the doctor, and they are being put on drugs.  And people who have grown up in very oppressive environments and been made to feel that it is there fault, they are being conned by psychotherapists.  And this being done via government licensing.

So while you ingest what you want, a horrible state of affairs persists.  The only way you would be able to see this though, would be if you were committed to the very hard work of feeling your feelings.

The people who then come along and tell me that they also thing I’m bad or wrong for choosing what I do take even in the most well informed way don’t have the same power or cause the same harm in any way, but they surely don’t help.

But you aren't helping either, you aren't opposing psych drugs, psychotherapy, the recovery movement, or the FixMyKid industry.

Where people seem to be getting lost – as best I can tell – is in our recognition that there *are* sometimes people who claim that no one should ever be on any kind of drug or that they know that anyone who says drugs help them is somehow misguided or “deluded”.

Talk about drugs is a direct attack on survivors.  It creates the impression that they are the problem, and that drugs which attack the functioning of their central nervous system are the remedy.

It's just like how **** has always been handled, trying to blame it on the victim, and making the pacification of the victim the intended outcome.

People who push in this way are *NOT* equal to the system that pushes drugs because (as we say several times in the article) those people have no systemic power.

Where there is power is in holding parents accountable, in holding the mental health system accountable, and in getting our government out of the recovery and salvation businesses.

But when there is conflict out at the barricades, it is those who want chemical tune out who are most likely to be AWOL.

Our society is sick, in that people work meaningless jobs and then use chemicals to tune out.  And this is what the middle-class family and the mental health system prepare people to accept.  So chemical tune outs is submission.  Where as the one who always seems to have their tail on fire is the one who is resisting.

However, my personal wish is that this movement will eventually get to the point where the focus *is* on power. Not on ‘recovery’… Not on what people should or shouldn’t be doing… but simply on their right to have real information, make real choices, be treated equally where their rights are concerned, and be the holder of power where their own lives are concerned.

But it can never get like this until some deeply embedded forms of abuse, in the middle-class family, and in its white coat enforcers, are exposed and eradicated.  And the only way to do this is public punishment of the perpetrators.  Its no different than it was with the de-Nazification of Germany, there have to be public consequences for the perpetrators, or it will just continue.

Sera, I do not agree with your article or with the message you are putting out.  You are not supporting mindful resistance, you are pleading that people like me will go along with you on pills and alcohol.

Its just like when you were trying to oppose the Murphy Bill, you were not calling for resistance to the mental health system.  You were pleading with Murphy and his supporters for tolerance for those who are in some way going along with the mental health idea.  You were not telling Murphy how every aspect of his proposed legislation would be resisted, and by any means necessary.  You were not telling Murphy and his supporters that they were torturing their own children.

We do have to resist the mental health system, and we have to resist tune out.  No this is not a legal requirement, there would be no way to enforce such a thing.  But I for one promise unceasing resistance to any articles or posts which encourage tune out, or cooperation with the mental health system or the recovery movement, or which encourage support for psychotherapists playing god in what should be seen as child abuse cases.

1459 Days of Resistance, how a political activist talks.  It is not pleading for tolerance.

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Re: Replying to the Tune Out Crowd
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2019, 04:01:13 pm »
Further Reply to Sera

Sera, above you wrote, "The main point of the article was that “pill shaming” isn’t really a thing, for the most part… that it’s often about something else in the little ways it does happen, and that mostly the term is a misunderstanding of or misuse of power because the very few people who actually criticize people for taking psych drugs still don’t actually hold any power over them, and the argument that “pill shaming” is this real and frightening thing that is somehow equal to the force and coercion out there that makes people think they have to *take* drugs is just off base."

Throughout your article and replies, you've talked about power.  I agree with you that we should be looking first and foremost at how power is being used.

My thinking about this is in part based on the work of David Smail ( website down now ).  He explained that we have to look at how power is being used, and that the experience of distress is something evolutionarily developed, to draw our attention to conditions which are making us socially marginalized.

And then in part my views have been influenced by Alice Miller, especially her book number 3, "Thou Shalt Not Be Aware".  When she wrote this she was at her very best, denouncing any and all forms of Psychtherapy, showing how they are simply interpretive schema's for promoting denial.

Now unfortunately she was not able to hold to this.  Not unlike R. D. Laing before her, she got wound into regression therapies and was never the same after.  She often had opened doors, but was then unable to walk through them herself.

Psychotherapy is based on getting people to believe the lie that their pain is cased primarily by things which happened long long ago, and that they should ignore the things which socially marginalize them today.  And then most of all, the therapist needs to make you believe that it is morally superior to never make any attempts to restore your public honor.  You are to live without honor.  And to teach this is why our state licenses them.

So in light of this, how could it make much difference if people take pills or drink alcohol?  It doesn't really, they are just getting by as best they can.

Well, part of the problem is that many still argue, even on this forum, that drugs and alcohol are good for people, that they help with this "healing", and that they "expand consciousness".

If we are going to fight back, we need people who are straight, I would say straight like Air Traffic Controllers.  I would say that, but it goes even further.  Even if someone has no mood alterants in their blood stream, but they still occasionally take them, then they are not really committed to feeling their pain.  They believe in escape, and so their abilities will be limited.

Let me tell you this, I helped to get a man a long term in our state prison for molesting his daughters.  And his entire Pentecostal Church was standing behind him and making it into an anti-government case.  And his defense was based on ~mental health~ ~anti-feminism~ and ~anti-government~ arguments and sentiments in the jury pool.

When he was finally convicted and remanded, and then moved from the county jail to the state penn, the elation I felt was extreme.

I would never want to replace even one instance of that with a lifetime of something done by chemicals.  Chemicals do not change anything in your objective life, just like psychotherapy does not change anything in our objective lives.

What we need are anti-mental health guerrillas, people committed to feeling their feelings and to getting results.  So it's not just being drug and alcohol free while carrying out duties, it's a life style based on total commitment to staying drug and alcohol free, which will give us the kind of determined people we need.

To Live With Honor and to Die With Honor