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Re: Replies To Steve
« on: August 01, 2019, 05:46:00 pm »
The presumption though is that matters should be handled in the therapist's office.  Otherwise the client would not be there, and the therapist would not even have an office.

And so the presumption is that anyone who is angry or disgruntled, "Needs Therapy".  And so our population is thus kept in check, and it is very hard to change laws because survivor exist without public honor..  And the middle-class family and the self-reliance ethic continue.

This is so similar to how Psychiatry and the Mental Health System have worked, keeping survivors marginalized.

"Unconsious feelings" and a need to "process them" is a huge distraction.  It very rarely leads to action, so a reasonable person could assume that it is another denial strategy.

Cognition does not work that way.  The distresses which you have experienced become part of the light by which you see new experiences.  They are not primarily things which can be remembered or recalled, that is just a pale reflection of what you have experienced.  You want to know your experiences, look at the entire course of your life and look at who and what you are.  This is very difficult, way beyond the scope of anything the therapist can help with.

If you look at how hard it is to challenge the Self-Reliance Ethic, then one sees how deep the denial systems run in our society, and how deep the scars created by the middle-class family.

Psychotherapists do not challenge this, runs too deep, and too close to their own denied experience.

"It certainly did involve confronting family members about how I had been treated,"

Settlement sums?  Incarcerations?  Or just go along to get along and keep it private?  Therapist may not say so openly, but this is how they want things settled, as it exonerates the perpetrators. 

Confronting a habitual abuser without a law suit or other consequence behind it, is just an exercise in self abuse.

I helped three girls put their father into the state prison.

Writing to the court, I made it clear that if we want survivors to defy their church and their parents in coming forward, then they must expect to be vindicated.  So there must be a long sentence.

Penalties for Perpetrators, Reparations for Survivors.  This is what Shari Karney did, and this is what Julie Gregory is working on.

"She most definitely helped me move from being angry at myself to being angry about social injustice, not because she told me to feel that way, but because she helped me find and connect with my own sense of righteous indignation. And as I said before, without this experience, I would never have gotten to advocacy as a career and life path. "

Again, penalties for perpetrators and reparations for survivors, not just moving away from personal anger to righteous indignation.

We live in a war zone, and it is a being perpetrated against children in the name of the self-reliance ethic.  And as it stands, it is very rare that a perpetrator gets any penalty.

But here is one example:
http://www.vachss.com/guest_dispatches/excerpt_battle_11.html

So Steve, if knowing all of this about you, a client came for psychotherapy and tried to talk about familial abuse issues, they should expect to be delegitimated and humiliated, because you don't seem to see redress as important.

Say a woman goes to a police station to report that she has been ****.  Should she be told about psychotherapy, and about how she can confront the perpetrator?

No, this would amount to what activists have long identified as "second ****".

Shari Karney tried confronting the perpetrators, but they went ballistic.  Then though she turned to the law books, and finally to getting laws changed.  No one would ever accuse Shari Karney of living a life without public honor.

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So my therapist did not fit your model of “teach you to adjust to injustice” or “accept your lot in life.” It was much more about, “If you have an issue, what are you going to DO about it?” Which certainly fits into your framework of encouraging people to take action against their oppressors.
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Your words say one thing, but what they indicate is the opposite.

Penalities for perpetrators, reparations for survivors.  This is how you restore your public honor.  Otherwise you are just continuing to eat and **** in the very small space which the abusers have left, and making the mistake of calling that "life".

Jeff Anderson has recovered hundreds of millions on behalf or survivors.  He has driven Catholic dioceses into bankruptcy.

We need people who have the same zeal for going after the middle-class family, and after Psychiatry, and after Psychotherapy, that Jeff Anderson has for going after the Catholic Church.  And he  has gotten laws changed and is getting all the records and taking it down diocese by diocese.

"But to pretend that there is some generalized agreement among therapists that their job is to prevent people from holding their oppressors accountable is to me simplistic and not supported by the fact. "

But if they are not in favor of the denial system known as "Live and Let Live", then why are they therapists?  How could someone be a therapist if they did not believe in that?

"Therapists are not lawyers"

Then why are they getting people to take the huge risk of disclosing their personal affairs?

"but there’s nothing to prevent a therapist from making referrals to lawyers for class action suits and the like, and I certainly have done that with many a person in my social worker days. "

But this is going to be after the fact, after the client has severely compromised themselves by disclosing affairs to someone who is not their attorney.  And most actions which attack the middle-class family are going to be cutting edge law, practiced by those who want to extend the envelop of civil accountability.  This is going to be a special breed.  And why would one want to talk with a therapist, instead of an attorney, in the first place?

Here a survivor can talk safely, knowing that their claim to reparations will not be written off, that they will not be subjected to anything like "second ****".

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Today in Manhattan, survivors, advocates and the law firm of Jeff Anderson & Associates are: · Releasing The Anderson Report on Sexual Abuse in the Archdiocese of New York containing the identities, histories, photographs and information on 310 clerics accused of child sexual abuse in the Archdiocese of New York; · Demanding full disclosure by the Archdiocese of New York, Archbishop Timothy Dolan, and the religious orders, of the identities, histories, and current whereabouts of all clergy accused of child sexual abuse who worked in the Archdiocese; · Discussing a new law, the New York Child Victims Act, which opens a one-year “window” in mid-August for survivors of child sexual abuse to take legal action against the perpetrator and the institution that may have protected the perpetrator, regardless of when the abuse occurred.
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https://www.andersonadvocates.com/

Psychotherapy is Con Artistry, making people believe that it is in their interests to disclose their personal affairs to someone who is not able to do anything to help them with the affairs of their lives.

Some seem to see it as the alternative to psychiatry, but this is a ruse.  The proper response to psychiatry is simply FU.

Why do people believe that their is some benefit in talking with the psychotherapist?  Why not some peer level grouping, and something which is overtly political and legal action focused?

Churches have been a total failure.  And this was the vacuum which Freud stepped into.  But there are still other kinds of things like esoteric, occult, humanist, and eastern oriented groups.

Finding one's way in life is usually difficult.  But why would anyone think that the non-peer and highly regulation influenced relationship with a Psychotherapist is a productive use of their time, or a worthwhile risk to operational security.

To be a psychotherapist, doesn't one have to agree that anger is not okay, and that it is morally superior not to try and hold perpetrators accountable?

Progress often does depend upon being able to discern universal truths.