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Computers, Math, Science, Technology / Music Maker
« Last post by forbitals on September 15, 2022, 12:52:43 pm »
Music Maker

School of Rock Kansas City Do It Again (early Steele Dan, before their signature harmony.  For so many years they would play this on the radio just about non-stop)
The Three Stages of Initiatic Spirtuality by Angel Miller, Inner Traditions.

Neat picture of cover of 8 pointed diagram.

Craftsman - Warrior - Magician

endorsement from Mitch Horowitz

Millar writes and lectures on Freemasonry.

In My Dreams -- School of Rock

Look what I just found:
News, Politics, and General / Re: Dabrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration
« Last post by forbitals on August 09, 2022, 07:09:29 pm »
So Deleuze and Guattari are clear that clinical mental illness is created in the mental health system, its the drugs and its the talk therapy.

But they do say that there is one genuine mental illness, Neuroticism, and it is incurable and it is fatal.

Well, Dabrowski decimates the conventional notions of mental health. He describes that as psychoneurosis.

His idea of Positive Disintegration is something which is happening on multiple levels simultaneously. So there is always intense flux.

And it is always the disintegration of biologically determined and social conformity drive structures. So there is this biologically determined mental development.

Then there is this autonomous mental development, which is what we want. Transends the demands of biology and social norms.

Then there is also this one-sided mental development which is anti-social. It is egocentric and manifests in crime and paranoia.

Dabrowski takes apart the views that Mental Health is the absence of mental disorders or is a state of psychological integration.

Dabrowski's ideas revolve around his concept of Overexcitability.

He writes in 1970:

[Overexcitability] first provokes conflicts, disappointments, suffering in familily life, in school, in professional life--in short, it leads to conflicts with the external environment. Overexcitability also provokes inner conflicts as well as the means by which these convlicts can be overcome. Second, overexcitability precipitates psychoneurotic processes, and, third, conflicts and psychoneurotic processes become the dominant factor in accelerated development.

Dabrowski called a lot of this "positive infantilism" or "positive immaturity", and this is all associated with creativity and accelerated development.

And so inner conflicts and frustrations are inherent in positive disintegration. And so one with high developmental potential will become more introspective, more aware of possible choices and consequently, more conscious of different levels--higher and lower--in his or her feelings, thoughts and behavior. In his or her feelings, thoughts, and behavior. In these internally and often externally tumultuous conditions, such an individual "introduces into his life a new controlling factor, where higher feelings [being to control] the lower forms of instinctual, emotional and congnitive functions".
News, Politics, and General / Re: Dabrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration
« Last post by forbitals on August 09, 2022, 05:44:35 pm »
So Michael M. Piechowski was the one who really promoted Dabrowski in the Gifted Movement.

Theory of Positive Disintegration, in Dabrowski's theory, personality is not a fixed, universal attribute; personality must be shaped -- created -- by an individual to reflect his or her own unique character. Positive disintegration, the process by which personality is achieved, is a twofold process of: (1) disintegration of a primitive mental organization aimed at gratifying biological needs and mindlessly conforming to societal norms, and (2) re-integration at a higher level of functioning, in which the individual transcends biological determinism and becomes autonomous. Personality, shaped by positive disintegration, develops primarily as a result of the action of developmental potential, which is a constitutional endowment that includes overexcitability--a high level of reactivity of the central nervous system, and dynamisms--autonomous inner forces, assumed to be normally distributed in the population.

Dabrowski to an interest in Rudolph Steiner's Anthroposophy and in Alice Baily (Theosophy UK). Parasychology and Eastern studies,and he practiced meditation daily.

He saw emotions as directing forces of development.

Got into areas covered by DSM., things he came to call Psychoneurosis. And he said, Psychoneurosis is not an illness.

These serve the transition from lower to higher development by generating the disintegration process.

Reading about Dabrowski here and knowning that his first major English language book was in 1964, I can see that being trained as a psychiatrist what Dabrowski was doing was serving as an anti-psychiatrist, in the same manner and Frantz Fanon, R. D. Laing, and D. G. Cooper.
News, Politics, and General / Dabrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration
« Last post by forbitals on August 09, 2022, 05:41:01 pm »
Dabrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration
Sal Mendalio editor.

Great Potential Press, Scotsdale AZ 2008.

Now GPP is a major Gifted Movement Publisher, and Dabrowski is very highly thought of in the Gifted Movement.

He was a Polish Psychiatry, tortured by the first the Nazi's and then by the Communists.

He came to Canada and to the US and he had work groups and students, and many of these wrote the chapters in this book. I recognize some of the names.

Michael M. Piechowski, Linda Kreger Silverman, Nicholas Colangelo.

Now, what exactly is Positive Disintegration? I have long wanted to know. I will have to read it to find out.
Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Colors of Chaos Magick
« Last post by forbitals on July 14, 2022, 03:14:01 pm »

So this is not all just Peter J. Carroll, it is from a number of sources.  As I see that, it means that I can change it.

Octarine* – Pure Magic
Black – Death
Blue – Wealth
Green – Love
Yellow – Ego
Purple – Sex
Orange – Thinking
Red – War

So I am going to have 4 on the up tetrahedron and 4 on the down.


Octarine* – Pure Magic

Blue – Wealth
Green – Love

Orange – Thinking


Black – Death

Yellow – Ego
Purple – Sex

Red – War
News, Politics, and General / Re: Gifted Education
« Last post by forbitals on June 23, 2022, 04:24:02 pm »
Want to know how people used to think about things and they used to talk about things?  Then you have to read the old books.

The Education and Guidance of the Ablest

John Curtis Gowan and George D. Demos

Charles C. Thomas Publisher, Springfield Illinois (1964)

500 pages on surprisingly thick paper

Gowan taught at what would become CSU Northridge and Demos taught at what would become CSU Long Beach

News, Politics, and General / Tracking Wars
« Last post by forbitals on June 13, 2022, 07:07:46 pm »
The Tracking Wars
State Reform
Meets School Policy

Tom Loveless

Brookings Institution Press 1998

I was expecting that Tom Loveless would have been a parent of a child in the Gifted Program. It is usually they who are the most adamant about defending tracking. So I was expecting I would be reading the suburban real estate section of the news paper.

But no, Loveless taught for 9 years in CA public schools. Then he went to U Chicago to do a doctorate. The work for this book started with his thesis.

As Loveless explains, the Anti-Tracking Movement started in CA and MA, and a little bit in NV and MD. And it was mostly because of the Jeannie Oakes book, Keeping Track (1985), and also because of Annie Wheelock in MA.

I talk about reading the Oakes book before.

Other Loveless books?

Yes, about Math scores.

Loveless also invoked the work of this John Kingdon, to explain how untracking became such a political issue:

Agendas, alternatives, and public policies / John W. Kingdon. (1995)

Basically decades after Brown v Board we still have this racial achievement gap.

And so there was a hunt for the cause and it looked like the cause was school tracking. This was mainly coming from Jeannie Oakes and her UCLA mentors.

And yes, decades ago tracking was done by IQ tests and it was quite racially driven. But this is not the case today.

And going back to the 19th century, organized labor originally opposed having vocational programs in high schools.

By the 1890's though organized labor changed positions. They were strongly committed to having vocational programs in high schools, as they have remained ever since.

They'd seen the rise private trade schools, and they did not want support siphoned away from the public schools. They say the public schools as the best opportunity for economic advancement for their own children.

And this was before there we IQ tests!.

Now, the efforts to remove tracking have only gone so far. In urban schools you have had the most untracking, and it is the remedial programs which have most likely gotten cut. Suburban schools still have the most tracking.

The subjects most tracked, in order are:


And then English Dept's are quite receptive to untracking. It is Math where there is the most commitment to tracking.

Even Oakes talks about this, when you untrack, what you often go to are cooperative learning enviroments, and these often involve team teaching and oversize classes.

To me this sounds like stuff shown in the movies To Sir With Love and Black Board Jungle.

If you want world class knowledge, even putting aside concerns about college, these types of exercises do not do it.

And also I would say that the Gifted Movement is not supposed to mean a top track. The original idea was of some few students who really stand out. And then what is usually wanted are things like AP classes, grade acceleration, and early college entrance.

AP is like a top track, but the other stuff is not.

There was also this Middle School Movement. This was teachers who did not want jr high to be like high school. They wanted it to be more like elementary school. So they sent the 9th graders to high school, and then often they extended the lowest grade do to the 5th.

They wanted it all untracked and they wanted generally qualified teachers, not narrow subject specialization.

ANd then of the racial achievement gap, it got to an all time low in the late 80's.

BUt then it started widening again. Is this untracking or school defunding or the rise of charter schools?

Public schools are still the best for achieving equality and tracking, or at least ability grouping, is part of how this is accomplished.
Industrial Concerns / Enterprise Resource Planning
« Last post by forbitals on May 31, 2022, 07:06:17 pm »
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