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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / The Universal Christ by Richard Rohr
« Last post by forbitals on May 18, 2019, 05:51:29 pm »
The Universal Christ
how a forgotten reality can change everything we see, hope for, and believe
by Richard Rohr
March 5th, 2019

and this book about Rohr

Richard Rohr : illuminations of his life and work / edited by Andreas Ebert and Patricia C. Brockman (1993)

Undoubtedly I'm going to have some reservations about him.  But as I read I also find much good.


From his appendixes:

The Pattern of Spiritual Tranformation:

1. Order
2. Disorder
3. Reorder

Four Worldviews

1.  material
2.  spiritual
3.  priestly
4.  incarnational


Such interesting references too:

Published by the Theosophical Society, Wheaton Illinois.  Bruteau, Beatrice, Evolution Toward Divinity: Teilhard de Chardin and the Hindu Tradition, 1974

Evolution toward divinity: Teilhard de Chardin and the Hindu traditions (1974)

Bruteau has written other books too.

Rohr also cites works of de Chardin, and of Bonaventure, John Dominic Crossan.

Paul Davies, God and the New Physics, 1984

Matthew Fox

Nikos Kazantzakis, Report to Greco, 1965

Book about Thomas Berry

Thomas Merton

Karl Rahner

Richard Smoley, Inner Christianity

Richard Tarnas, Cosmos and Psyche

Derek Walcott, poem "Love after Love", from collected poems.

Alan Watts, Behold the Spirit.

Simone Weil, Waiting for God

Ken Wilber, Integral Spirituality

Walter Wink, Naming the powers, 1984

  , Engaging the powers, 1992

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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Charles Webster Leadbeater
« Last post by forbitals on May 15, 2019, 07:02:31 pm »
Charles Webster Leadbeater

I know there are serious problems with this guy.  I want to learn about him because he was central to this Liberal Catholic Church and to the Theosophical Society, and seemingly close to Annie Besant.

We have this, A textbook of theosophy / by C. W. Leadbeater 1971, 11th edition.

Got this picked out for reading about Annie Besant

Annie Besant : a biography / Anne Taylor (1992) Oxford U Press

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater

Also, J. I. Wedgwood, and serious problems with him too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._I._Wedgwood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Rite

1911, book about Organ Stops
 A comprehensive dictionary of organ stops, English and foreign, ancient and modern : practical, theoretical, historical, aesthetic, etymological, phonetic / by James Ingall Wedgwood ; with a foreword by Francis Burgess

Some of the LCC rite
http://www.universalcatholic.org/Library/Liturgies/Files/euch.asp

And here, the UCC rite:
http://www.universalcatholic.org/

and here is the LCC
http://www.thelccusa.org/

William S.H. Downey, presiding bishop, can't find any books by him, but that UCC site is a treasure trove.

I find this though

The Liberal Catholic Church : an analysis of a hybrid sect / Warren Christopher Platt. (1982)

So apparently UCC has its own church properties:
http://www.universalcatholic.org/locations_1.html

enough for now
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So finishing up with "The Essential Tillich" by F. Forrester Church.  I won't pretend that the book was easy to read, it was challenging.  But no one better qualified than Church to anthologize Tillich.

If most people in the US though like Tillich and Church, this would be an entirely different country.  And the I AM A CHRISTIAN INDUSTRY would explode into flames just like the Hindenburg.

So I want to record some stuff from the book:

So Church says that when he came to Harvard Divinity School, there were followers of Tillich, and also of Barth, Bultman, Bonhoeffer, and Brunner.  And I know that there were even more from that generation.

So Church has selected Tillich pieces from:

"The Lost Dimension in Religion", Saturday Evening Post 230, no. 50 June 14, 1958.

Dynamics of Faith

The New Being

"Religious Symbols and Our Knowledge of God", Christian Scholar, Sept 1955

The Eternal Now

Systematic Theology Vol. 1, 2, 3

The Protestant Era

The Socialist Decision

Love Power and Justice

The Courage To Be

The Shaking of the Foundations

Biblical Religion and the Search for the Ultimate Reality

And when talking about relations with other religions, Tillich endorses Karl Barth.

Talking about "Faith and the Dynamics of the Holy", Tillich talks about Rudolph Otto and his book, "The Idea of the Holy".  Otto talks about the "fascinating and shaking character of the holy".
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News, Politics, and General / Jefferson's Preamble
« Last post by forbitals on April 17, 2019, 08:07:00 pm »
Right here, "The Cathedral of the World, a Universalist Theology" by Forrest Church.

page 39, What Would Jefferson Do?

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John Adams and Thomas Jefferson together embody the Declaration of Independence, the former as the document's most compelling sponsor, the later its author -- then together through the stirring coincidence of their both dying on July 4, 1826, fifty years to the day it was published.
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Theologically, the second and third U.S. presidents were unitarians: Adams, a member of the Quincy, Massachusetts, congregation; Jefferson a sect unto himself.
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As the election of 1800 drew near, Adams faced that looming electoral rematch against Jefferson, his vice president and political enemy.  The Federalists derided the politically potent Virginian as an "atheist" (untrue), a "deist" (true), and a "Jacobin" (i.e., "French radical," also true).  The Federalists summed up their two greatest nightmares, atheism and popular democracy, by hurling the epithet "Jacobin" at their opponents.

Adams had no sympathy for the French Revolution.  Years later, he looked back bitterly on the "hot, rash, blind, headlong, furious efforts to ameliorate the condition of society, to establish liberty, equality, fraternity, and the rights of man."  Adams especially scorned Democratic-Republicans like Jefferson who admired the revolutionary French Republic.

(speaking of Independence Day celebrations) The Democratic-Republicans wore French colors (cocked hats with a knot of red, white, and blue ribbons pinned to the side), in saucy contrast to the less frivolous black cockades Federalist stalwarts wore, harking back to the Revolutionary days.  To Federalist eyes, Democratic-Republicans with their tricolor cockades had taken the Fourth of July hostage by drawing undue attention to the Preamble of the Declaration of Independence.  In writing the Declaration, Jefferson had introduced three lofty principles (the right to liberty, God-given equality, and popular sovereignty) and one incendiary one (the people's authority to overthrow their government).  The Federalists' problem, as they themselves soon recognized, lay in the Declaration of Independence itself.

Early in Adam's presidency, proper Philadelphians boycotted Independence Day, which might as well have been Bastille Day as far as the local Federalists were concerned.  Nary a black cockade was to be seen on the anniversary of the nation's birth.  Many church bells remained silent.  And every reveler crowding Independence Square was indecently festooned in heretical red, white, and blue.  In New England, separate tricolor and black cockade Fourth of July celebrations became the rule.  In their orations, Federalist preachers and politicians dedicated their energies on the nation's birthday to critique the un-American, anti-Christian dogma that Jefferson so impudently inserted into the nation's founding document.  In his Boston Independence Day oration in 1799, John Lowell warned his listeners to beware "the seductive doctrines of 'Liberty' and 'Equality.'"

The year before, Alexander Hamilton had no difficulty convincing Adams that for the government to proclaim a national fast day, a federal request honored by all the churches that chose to participate, would galvanize his more conservative Federalist political base.  Indeed it did.  Raising a host of traditional black cockades, hundreds of New England preachers seized this governmentally sanctioned opportunity to pronounce French and Jeffersonian infidelity a demonic double threat to the future of America's Christian republic.

Later in life, Adams looked back ruefully on his decision to promote a religious event for political gain.  He went so far as to claim that it cost him the presidency.  for one thing, it left the plausible impression that he had buckled under pressure from Presbyterian church leaders, who urgently were calling for the president to proclaim a day of national worship.

Declaring a national fast was like poking a stick into a nest of hornets.  In alarm, dissenting Christians (Baptists, Methodists, and the like) howled that Adams was compromising church-state separation.  For sound religious reasons, not only did they boycott the fast, but they also came out in droves to support Jefferson, the more secular candidate.
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The Declaration of Independence elevated people's sights by placing human law on a higher moral pediment.  The result was a civil ethic in which the ideals of liberty and equality received unprecedented priority.
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In its ringing, redemptive moral urgency, Jefferson's Preamble is rightly remembered as the American Creed.




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I tell you, this F. Forrest Church, son of Idaho Senator Frank Church, he really knows his stuff, and he writes well too.  If his kind of thinking and reasoning were typical in America, this country, then it would be an entirely different sort of country, and the entire world would be different too.



Georges Delerue, Music for the film Dien Bien Phu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoPRu1uQP4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz0Adk2OUAM


Monterey Pop Festival 1968 CD1 cut  (really good)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAOH4mYk-AI
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Computers, Math, Science, Technology / Re: The Book of R, by Tilman M. Davies
« Last post by seeplusplus on April 17, 2019, 04:29:10 am »
"Matrices are two dimensional. Arrays can be 3, not sure if it can be more.  But still seems to fall far short of a deeply object oriented language."

Arrays can be as many dimensions as you like. Only constraint is memory.
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Computers, Math, Science, Technology / Terry A. Davis | Temple OS
« Last post by seeplusplus on April 17, 2019, 04:26:44 am »
TempleOS (formerly J Operating System, SparrowOS and LoseThos) is a biblical-themed lightweight operating system designed to be the Third Temple prophesied in the Bible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqFgtYrw4J8

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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Theosophia
« Last post by forbitals on April 09, 2019, 05:29:14 pm »
So this Mulla Sadra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulla_Sadra

developed this "Transcendent Theosophy", leader of the Iranian cultural renaissance in the 17th Century.  Created "a major transition from essentialism to existentialism" in Islamic philosophy.

Considered a comparable influence in Islam to what Martin Heidegger has been in the West.


Theosophy (Boehmian), being traced to Jakob Bohem
Theosophy (Boehmian)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy_(Boehmian)

The term theosophia appeared (in both Greek and Latin) in the works of early church fathers, as a synonym for theology:[5][6] the theosophoi are "those knowing divine things".[5][7] The term however acquired various other meanings throughout its history.[8] The adjective "theosophos" (θεόσοφος) "wise in divine things" was applied by Iamblichus to the gymnosophists (Γυμνοσοφισταί), i.e. the Indian yogis or sadhus.[9]

Scholars of esotericism such as Godwin and Faivre differentiated the tradition of religious illumination from the religious system established in the late nineteenth century by Helena Blavatsky by referring to the latter with a capital letter as Theosophy, and the former with a lower-case letter as theosophy.[10][11] Followers of Blavatsky's movement are known as Theosophists, while adherents of the older tradition are termed theosophers.[10][11] Causing some confusion was the fact that a few Theosophists such as C. C. Massey were also theosophers.[10][11]

The term theosophy was used as a synonym for theology as early as the 3rd century CE.[6] The 13th-century work Summa philosophiae attributed to Robert Grosseteste made a distinction between theosophers and theologians. In Summa, theosophers were described as authors only inspired by the holy books, while theologians like Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite and Origen were described as persons whose task was to explain theosophy. Therefore, the terms were the opposite of the present-day meaning.[11]

Faivre stated that "Theosophy is a gnosis that has a bearing not only on the salvific relations the individual maintains with the divine world, but also on the nature of God Himself, or of divine persons, and on the natural universe, the origin of that universe, the hidden structures that constitute it in its actual state, its relationship to mankind, and its final ends."[32]

Theosophy actually designates a specific flow of thought or tradition within the modern study of esotericism. Thus, it follows the path starting from the more modern period of the 15th century onward. Faivre describes the "theosophic current" or theosophy as a single esoteric current among seven other esoteric currents in early modern Western thought (i.e., alchemy, astrology, Neo-Alexandrian Hermeticism, Christian Kabbalah, Paracelsism (i.e., the studying of the "prognostications" of Paracelsus), philosophia occulta and Rosicrucianism).[33]

Faivre noted that there are "obvious similarities" between earlier theosophy and modern Theosophy as both play an important part in Western esotericism and both claim to deal with wisdom from a gnostic perspective. But he says there are also differences, since they do not actually rely on the same reference works; and their style is different. The referential corpus of earlier theosophy "belongs essentially to the Judeo-Christian type", while that of modern Theosophy "reveals a more universal aspect".[34] Although there are many differences between Christian theosophy and the Theosophical movement begun by Helena Blavatsky, the differences "are not important enough to cause an insurmountable barrier".[35][36]

Theosophers engage in analysis of the universe, humanity, divinity, and the reciprocal effects of each on the other. The starting point for theosophers may be knowledge of external things in the world or inner experiences and the aim of the theosopher is to discover deeper meanings in the natural or divine realm. Antoine Faivre notes, "the theosophist dedicates his energy to inventing (in the word's original sense of 'discovering') the articulation of all things visible and invisible, by examining both divinity and nature in the smallest detail."[7] The knowledge that is acquired through meditation is believed to change the being of the meditator.[37]

Faivre identified three characteristics of theosophy.[38] The three characteristics of theosophy are listed below.

Theosophy:
1.Divine/Human/Nature Triangle: The inspired analysis which circles through these three angles. The intradivine within; the origin, death and placement of the human relating to Divinity and Nature; Nature as alive, the external, intellectual and material. All three complex correlations synthesize via the intellect and imaginative processes of Mind.
2.Primacy of the Mythic: The creative Imagination, an external world of symbols, glyphs, myths, synchronicities and the myriad, along with image, all as a universal reality for the interplay conjoined by creative mind.
3.Access to Supreme Worlds: The awakening within, inherently possessing the faculty to directly connect to the Divine world(s). The existence of a special human ability to create this connection. The ability to connect and explore all levels of reality; co-penetrate the human with the divine; to bond to all reality and experience a unique inner awakening.




Joe Golem: Occult Detective Volume 2--The Outer Dark

https://www.amazon.com/Joe-Golem-Occult-Detective-2/dp/150670395X/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=joe+golem&qid=1554847012&s=gateway&sr=8-2

Brian Eno ( quite good )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggLTPyRXUKc

Is it possible to have computers generate such music on their own, and even in real time?
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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Mathworks, Joe Golem
« Last post by forbitals on April 09, 2019, 05:07:39 pm »
https://www.mathworks.com/solutions.html?s_tid=gn_sol

Joe Golem: Occult Detective Volume 2--The Outer Dark

https://www.amazon.com/Joe-Golem-Occult-Detective-2/dp/150670395X/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=joe+golem&qid=1554847012&s=gateway&sr=8-2


Brian Eno ( quite good )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggLTPyRXUKc

Is it possible to have computers generate such music on their own, and even in real time?
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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Re: Theosophical Society
« Last post by forbitals on April 08, 2019, 08:27:38 pm »
So, finishing up with Annie Besant's "Esoteric Christianity".  Want to record some things.  I understand what she is saying, and I generally agree with it.  But, Besant was a Union Organizer, Birth Control Advocate, Fabian Socialist, and Marxist.  So are Esoteric Christianity and Theosophy just she wimping out and accepting an opiate?

I need to read a biography of her, and preferably written by someone outside of the Theosophical Society.

Annie Besant : a biography / Anne Taylor (1992) Oxford U Press

https://www.amazon.com/Annie-Besant-Biography-Anne-Taylor/dp/0192117963/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=annie+besant+a+biography&qid=1554771070&s=books&sr=1-2

Okay, so then the material I want to record from Esoteric Christianity:

So Kabbala is being attributed to Rabbi Moses de Leon, who passed away in 1350 A. D..

Five books, Bahir, Zohar, Sepher Sephiroth, Sepher Yetzirah, and Asch Metzareth.

Talks of Epistle of Polycarp, Epistle of Barnabas   ( authenticity in question )

and The Martyrdom of Ignatius.

A lot from Origen against Celsus

The Mysteries of Magic, by Eliphas Levi, trans A. E. Waite, pages 58 -60

Valentinus, trans G. R. S. Mead, Pistis Sophia

Williamson's Great Law,   W. Williamson
The Great Law: A Study of Religious Origins and the Unity Underlying Them
https://www.amazon.com/Great-Law-Religious-Origins-Underlying/dp/1162630450

Charles Webster Leadbeater
The Christian Creed: Its Origin and Signification
https://www.amazon.com/Christian-Creed-Its-Origin-Signification/dp/1298644658/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=leadbeater+the+christian+creed&qid=1554773123&s=books&sr=1-2

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Philosophy, Religion, Esoteric, Occult / Re: Theosophical Society
« Last post by forbitals on April 08, 2019, 06:51:34 pm »
So listening to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWRlx4JpjU

came from:
Elementary Theosophy, Occult Teachings of Madame Helena Blavatsky, Audiobook by L. W. Rogers

seems to be:
https://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Theosophy-L-W-Rogers/dp/1494073285

 Elementary theosophy / by L.W. Rogers
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